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The script called for this to be a two-pager with the next page, but I split it up.  Sorry if this scene feels incomplete because of it, but there've been a lot more two-pagers than I think I realized lately when I'm already kinda busy.

Anyway, I know a lot of you called it.  I'm gonna be drowning in those comments, I'm sure.  ^^;

But more importantly, what does this revelation mean?  Even if you predicted Ana's past - whether it was 3 pages ago or 300 pages ago - what does this mean for her now?  What does it mean for Rain?  Can they be friends?  Or will their varying degrees of openness lead to them butting heads?


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SleuthMechanism Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
and then Ana suddenly became the most relatable character in the story. It may seem cold but that information really should be on a need to know basis and honestly her other friends really don't need to know.
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gaoyuqing Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
And yet another checkmark on the list of of LGBTQ spectrum-type individuals to be shown here in this one small locale.  Oh, and this is just wry cynical amusement, not really a complaint.  I knew we were going there.  We'll see what condition will be presented with the next new friend to show up and joining their growing group.
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SailorDolly Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
At this point, the surprising thing is not that there's so many different types within the story, but rather that there's so many types that are showing "one" person representing them--e.g. we have ONE openly genderfluid character, ONE transman, ONE homosexual guy, etc. I know that everybody is a unique individual and all, but it does feel a bit like "let's check off all of the boxes" here, since there's no sign of most of the cast knowing more than one person matching each of these sub-types.
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dawnflower8 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Student General Artist
There are two intersex characters now...anyone remember Heather? (Though she's cis and intersex, so I guess you're right.)
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ranma-chan Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Professional General Artist
I think "Rainna" relationship is going to fail at first, since Ana is trying so hard to hide her past even from her new friends and even gotten upset by Rain's openness, as if being open about it would be a fatal mistake [note: on many places (including my city) it is]. But truth to be told, neither being trans nor intersex openly is easy, since none of these categories inside sexuality are fully understood; and not to forget of the medical violence to intersex newborns. I think that Ana will soon realize that she is on safe ground with the gang (except maybe for Rudy ;P )
On a further future guess, Gavin much certainly will make a comment that will (unbeknownst to him) hurt Ana, and everybody, except for Rain (who will start to ponder if she says something), will wonder why she got upset.
On personal experience, I've encountered with other trans girls and boys, that as Ana, want to hide their past and deny any "transness" in them (most of them for fear of being outed of their social and family circles); and they also scorned me for being so open about my transsexuality and my diverse orientation (panromantic/demisexual); interrogating me as some sort of criminal or traitor Facepalm
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Draconic-Wolf Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
While, I wont just tell everyone; I will be willing to tell most at an appropriate time. Usually at a time I can say "Ask my anything, be it stupid sounding, silly, or weird. I am here to inform and teach and learn."
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ranma-chan Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Professional General Artist
I'm totally with you, I don't go telling everyone that I'm trans, but when asked I don't deny anything of true identity.
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gungho1000 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
I feel like I relate to ana a but more now that it's all out there. Guess it depends on who you are willing to trust. Personally I would have been happy to keep it all to myself and to this day you people are the only ones to know about it. I think that's how it should be. But that's just me. Xoxo
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TheScatmanBros Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
I can understand why a lot of LGBT people hide the fact that they are LGBT to people, although I do hope that Ana here would tell at least Gavin someday...
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echic10 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Professional Photographer
Why hide it, everybody asks.  Why not?  What good will coming out to others do in the long run?  Nothing.  Never mind that the climate in the U.S. has never been favorable to LGBTQI+ people.  The climate just got worse and being out could be a death sentence, particularly for trans women of color.  But everybody is at risk.  If you can pass, then do so.  I'm sorta lucky, as a group lesbians don't get as negative a reactions as others do.   What others don't know can't hurt you.

I just read an article online about 3 trans women of color that have already been murdered.  Welcome to Trump's America.
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KyAlCa Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2017
Really shouldnt be a place for politics guys.
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echic10 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2017  Professional Photographer
Politics?  You're stretching this.  This is a fair discussion given the subject matter.  You are likely too young to remember the groups that went around outing people, just because they thought everybody should be out. It wasn't political.

There are still people today that will gain your trust and then violate it.  When you've seen that done to other people you tend to fear for your safety.  Then there are the TERFs that delight in outing trans women.  It isn't politics with them either, they just hate trans women.  And there are still a number of states, such as my own and Texas, where being outed as trans can cost you your job and get you evicted.

So Ana is understandably concerned about being outed.  It isn't a stretch for her to fear it happening to her.  She may be paranoid, but there are people that are insufficiently paranoid.  Go look at the TDOR website.
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SulfurDust Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Yep being socially out should be people's own choice there's nothing bad about stealth if its what makes you most comfortable. You aren't "tricking" anybody into believing you're a girl by not telling them your trans because YOU ARE A GIRL. It was pretending to be a boy which was just an act. The only worry is when you're getting into a relationship with somebody and you're thinking about being physically intimate because then if they dont know they could react in a very bad way so you have to be cautious. It shouldn't be this way and you shouldn't have to worry about your own safety when your just being yourself but sadly it is. Someday things are going to be better and we have to fight each day between now and then to make sure that they are but until that day...
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greengramma Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I can't wait to see where this goes, intersex characters might as well be unicorns (actually, you're likely to find unicorns in fictional media so...) and I'm just so excited for this.
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SilverAureus Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
i feel so conflicted because i understand Ana's side of things but i also understand Rain's and i dislike how dismissive she is of even just entertaining the idea of her newfound friends being accepting of her.
i do hope they can all be friends though because Ana really needs them, and so does Rain really
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JaebirdPikeri Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Just my personal interpretation but to me I don't think she's dismissing the idea that she would be accepted, as much as she's dismissing the idea that it would help her to open up to them... As far as she's concerned the problem has been fixed, and she wants to move on with her life and forget about it, especially when it's so heavily implied that people she trusted - possibly including her mother - have hurt and/or abandoned her over it. 
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SilverAureus Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
that is a good point too
but either way we won't know for sure until Jocelyn tells us
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FlutterRain Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
the whole point of transition is to be "normal" to be like everyone else, so ofc she just wanna live her life, i totally get her, even if your friends are accepting, they can still mess up and tell someone about you or subconsciously have something against you :/
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SilverAureus Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
of course, i have friends i can't tell things just because i know they won't understand, very identity related things but i always entertain the idea of telling them because i trust them. I understand her point of view, it just saddens me to see her so outright dismissive of the idea of telling everyone else, especially because now Rain has a secret she can't tell anyone about and she's had trouble with that in the past.
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josykay89 Featured By Owner Edited Mar 1, 2017
Now reading that... Ana brings a good point. How is it decided, which gender an intersexual person is asinged at birth? I am a bit confused about it. And I am even more confused about... whey having such a surgery at a baby/ toddler anyway, with the baby being unable to express their feelings. Instead of waiting, and then ask him/ her when the child is older. From my understanding... it is just guessing, and then hope, everything goes right... with many cases, where it doesn't go right, and the surgery causes much more trouble for the person, instead of helping.
I see, that many nation's law require a sex asigned at birth... but that doesn't force to have surgery, does it?
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DraygaQueen Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
Several factors...
A: Which side is more developed...
B: Is the "shaft" large enough to theoretically grow into a "functional" penis...
C: What the parents want.

Usually in that order...

In todays world, parental choice is getting a little more show, but doctors will often still pressure for one side. And sometimes, they will even "require" the parents to make a choice (as "leave them as they are and let them decide" is still seen as a non-answer) Quite a bit in the past, the only deciding factor was "size of clit/penis" (And sometimes parents were barely even told! It was just a "there was something that required surgical correction, but you have a healthy boy/girl")
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SulfurDust Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Why does society push kids into a gender before they can even begin to speak? Why not give them the freedom to say for themselves how they feel?

Society thinks intersex bodies are "wrong" because they're different and thinks it has to "repair" them.
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JaebirdPikeri Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
I once read that it's because the surgery is simplest at that early stage, whereas even around the year old mark it's a much riskier proceedure, however I cannot remember the source so that may be inaccurate... If anyone knows better, please correct me!
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flex35 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Well, there goes my hopes that this reveal would happen in a Janitor's Closet ... oh well, no big loss.

As for Ana, I respect her and any transsexuals right to not tell anyone about the transsexual part of their life. And of course, it is the right of everyone to tell or not to tell anything about their lives. I can see Rain respecting Ana's right to keep that part of her life a secret.
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BiNerdGem Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
Please don't use the word transsexual. A lot of trans people don't like it.
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flex35 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
I was just using it, to note I am referring to people who are either trans man or trans woman, without being too wordy or to use a term that also includes other type of gender under the Trans umbrella. Also, if you could suggest a word that is less offensive and means the same thing, I would try to use that one instead.
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BiNerdGem Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2017
Just say trans
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flex35 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2017
Again, trans is too broad of a term for what I intend to say. To use trans, I would be implying that people who are agender, queer gender, pangender, etc are also being included with what I was saying, even though I was not including them. They still have the right to hide anything they wish about their lives that they want, just like everyone else, they just didn't seem to fit in, with what I was trying to say.
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BiNerdGem Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2017
Trans and non binary people
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SailorDolly Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
It's usually preferred to say transgender rather than transsexual. The latter term makes it sound too much like it's about what's in somebody's underpants and about sexual activity, as opposed to being about self-image.
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flex35 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
Unfortunately, it appears that I cannot edit my original comment. Sorry.
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flex35 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
Well, with my original comment, transgender is too broad of a term to use for what I was going for. So I will edit my comment to use trans man and trans woman, to not be so offensive, even though I do get that transsexual refers more to the transition of someone's outward appearance and has nothing to do with sexuality.
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Musicallover1234 Featured By Owner Edited Mar 1, 2017  Student Writer
Basically everyone knew she could have been  somewhere  in the LGBT community, between Rain and her though it could be tough she wants to be open an Ana  has some problems with ex boyfriends and close relationships maybe  this might be a problem between them.
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LauraRola Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
This post is kinda heavy and is based on what historical information I can find.  As such, it is not a complete story, and I even left a few things out that are far worse than what is said here.  As such, just read the parts in bold if you have difficulty with history regarding non-consensual surgical procedures on people with intersex conditions.

Okay, kiddos, gather round, time for a short history lesson about a doctor named John Money.

Money came to a set of beliefs that gender was a far more inclusive idea than simply one's bits and baubles.  He wrote in favor of allowing for transition for transgender patients, and pushed for the development of better surgical techniques to allow for physical transitions to be closer to what we are capable of today.  However, his idea of gender still stuck strictly to the concept of the binary being the only healthy expression and identity, to the point of advocating that any children born with bodies that did not conform to the binary should be altered as an infant and taught to accept their assigned gender.

Money's most famous example of his theory being coercively put into practice was with the story of David Reimer, a cisgender male who's parts were damaged in a botched circumcision.  He was, under Money's advisement, surgically altered and raised as a girl.  This act eventually resulted in David's suicide.  Money, however, had declared his experiment a success many years before that, and his attitudes and ideas have had far reaching consequences that result in many people with intersex conditions being given non-consensual surgical intervention to this very day.  And, as an aside, by non-consensual, I mean sometimes even the child's parents aren't really told what's going on.

So, yeah, Ana here is an unfortunate victim of the medical industry that once treated her condition in the way her doctor did as a matter of course, never considering the effect it might have on the child in the future.  For Ana to trust anyone, especially after having that trust betrayed before she could have even understood the concept of trust, is a pretty amazing show of just how strong she really is (and how good of a person her dad is).
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zarexraze Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
See, now these are the sort of comments that make me wish deviantart had a like button. I'd click it in a heart-beat.
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beez1717 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Ugh. If things work downstairs why not just leave it alone and let the child decode at a later date? And Ana will always be an adorable girl!
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WubMeister Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
Ana's predicament in terms of the present day I can relate to. Definitely.
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LALtheUltimate Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Student Digital Artist
If they accepted Rain, I'm sure they'll accept Ana, but I fully understand Ana's reaction. Even if you're sure they're good people, you just can't open yourself as much as you want to. There are walls that are hard to break, and it's possible they'll never break completely. 

Besides, it's even harder to do so when the school is surrounded by delightful people such as some of the school staff and students such as Emily's ex-friends (Seriously, the grey-haired one calling Rain a bitch? How disgusting...)
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DraygaQueen Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
I think its more about Ana still having an ENTIRE YEAR TO GO and "risk discovery" (though I suspect theres nothing to really discover with her)
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LALtheUltimate Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Student Digital Artist
Possibly, there's a wild variety of options. What it's clear is that she's not ready to come out just yet, and she needs some time before she finally finds the courage to do so. I'm pretty sure Rain will understand and respect her decision.
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DororoXPenana Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
It's pretty weird to see Rain trying to get Ana to open about herself, coming from someone who wanted to keep everything to herself back then lol she should be able to understand how it feels to not want many to know of ones secret, even if they are friends. It will take a long time for Ana to even consider discussing it with friends, maybe even never. Some things are even better left unsaid. 


I hope Ana feels safe around her new group of friends though, I really like her as a character and I hope she can continue to live her life in peace. 
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LauraRola Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Pretty much exactly what I thought since we saw the photo.  More thoughts later, but the basic ones are that Rain's friends will be open-minded, but it's entirely up to Ana to decide if she should say anything to any of them.  Although, she MAY need to confide in at least one more person among them.
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Jay-teh-butt Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
I get Ana has had some trauma but right now she's annoying me more than Debbie :/
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SonicANIMEfan Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
At least Ana's reasoning is more believable here...she doesn't come off to me as "annoying" so much as she is "guarded"
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Jay-teh-butt Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
true, though Debbie has reason, her best friend suddenly ditched her for some girl she used to hate? Wouldn't you be hurt?
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SonicANIMEfan Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Probably, but I'd be willing to listen as to why..
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SerraBritt Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't want to be angry with Ana on this...but at the same time I can understand and empathize with her position, assuming being assaulted by her boyfriend before meant she revealed it to him and he turned out to hate it.  So there's certainly justification because Gavin is a sorta hopeful boyfriend from what I can tell.  At the same time though...all of them know a transgender person?  And none of them are violent?  And I guess Ana wouldn't know that Rain and Rudy dated in the past.

I guess in the end, I have to accept Ana's justification if I'm right about the last boyfriend thing.  Gavin won't assault her, obviously, but she might be genuinely afraid of Gavin not wanting to date anymore because of it.
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SonicANIMEfan Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Little funny that "Quack" is the page title and Ana called that doctor a "Quack" when they're doing anything but "Ducking" the issue.... I'll try to avoid the duck puns here, but if you find any in the following, you can put it on my "Bill".

I'm admittedly a little surprised here, I know some have probably called it before, and I was a little bit reluctant to play the trans theory bit considering some of the pages before, but at least this clears up the "Aaron" name crossed out on that photo. I feel a little bit dumb for thinking that there was some bigger conspiracy at work here, and I fell into a paralysis by overanalysis stream of consciousness bit.. I hope it doesn't get held against me, but I understand if it will.

Considering the spoilers here, I'm not surprised that Ana's very selective as to who she reveals this too, and I think that it would be a bit of a tall order for her to fully be comfortable with revealing this to the rest of Rain's clique of fire-forged friends, but I think as time goes on, she'll get more comfortable and possibly start opening up, but I understand her reasons for keeping this under wraps.

I've said all I thought I can say... overall this was a nice page and I like how Ana didn't beat around the bush and just say it outright.. and I feel that enough time round Rain's friends will get her to spread her wings. I shall retreat now because its "duck" season.
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flex35 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Well, I must say, your duck puns certainly weren't foul ^_^ (ya, I enjoyed them).
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SonicANIMEfan Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
Don't you mean... Fowl?
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