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Wow. This page even frustrates me, and I wrote it. -_-

Poor Gavin is trying so hard to explain as much as he can without betraying his friends. But it’s so hard to work around the closed-minded even without the handicap. Sad to say, he probably never had a prayer…

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:iconm1zo:
M1ZO Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2015  New member Hobbyist General Artist
That poor guy. He doesn't have a nose. :(
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:iconkinuna:
Kinuna Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
My brain is warped by this conversation
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Wiinner159 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2014
Idiots'll do that to yah, though I have to say Jocelyn is really good at making horribly offensive people, in both senses of creating these people and being able to resist to not have them meet with a terrible fate
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Kinuna Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
well sadly thats real life for us to D:
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Wiinner159 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014
Yeah and the fact that it's true really sucks. I never understood why people just hate others for being different. Many people encourage individuality, but not as many people support being who they are
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PrincessBryannaJane Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013
You tried your best, Gav. :pat:
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Dracona-Wynne-Hale Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
...But what about Randy?
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warownslife Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
The last panel... is frustrating.
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
Not complaining about the void mind you. ^_^ Just poking fun~
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
Erm....the African American guy: So.....anyone notice we're standing in a grey void?
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Bobalog123 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Poor Gavin, I've been there a few times. Its like preaching to a crowd of atheists.
(Don't read into that metaphor, it is just a metaphor)
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14bj337 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012
Gavin better take a shower, to get those marks-of-frustration out of his hair.

Seriously, though, this page shows Gavin's struggle to let Robert and Devon in on what's going on without letting Robert and Devon in on what's going on. Ouch. Clearly, they're convinced of a few not-entirely correct notions in the realm of sexuality (I especially love Robert's quip in the last panel), and Gavin's trying to convince them of what (he believes) is actually going on.

Still, he's being kind of cruel to Drew. We, the readers, know that Drew has a "feeling" for Kylie (or, at the very least, has expressed that he has such a feeling aloud). We've also gotten to see a brief bit of Drew hitting on Rain; which, coupled with his word-of-author description, it's safe to say that he's felt attracted to quite a few girls in the past. I don't think he's "just straight and being stupid" or "gay and horribly in denial"; neither fit what we've seen of him so far. Also, I think labeling him "bisexual" would be jumping the gun (besides, Randy has already claimed that trait). To me, Drew's attraction to Kylie mirrors Rudy's attraction to Rain - each one has only felt attracted to members of one group in the past, but now suddenly feels attracted to a member of a different group. Devon brings up a perfectly valid point - if who someone likes determines who they are, as was vital to Gavin's previous trichotomy, then wouldn't that make Rudy straight, or at least bisexual?

And one more thing about Gavin's panel 3 rant: there's something remarkably "Marian" about it. Maybe it's the pose, the subject, or his way of speaking, but I can much more easily imagine Maria attached to that preach-fest than Gavin. Then again, maybe we're just seeing a side of Gavin that hasn't really been threshed-out yet, and maybe this is meant to establish new character details.

Of course, as usual, I'm interested to see where this chapter goes. I'd love to see Drew dealing with his feelings a bit more, and I imagine we'll get to see how the other students react to Maria's recent public coming-out, which I'm looking forward to.
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012
I dislike the fact that we use the words "gay" "lesbian" and "bisexual" in the first place. In a perfect world, you'd eiather like "boys" "girls" or "both". Who knows? Maybe that'll come when transgenders are fully understood. That one's self-identity, and who they're attracted to, are 100% separate.
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superdeformedchibi Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
You might just be referring to a pansexual. Someone that is attracted to males, females and variations of those.
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012
1. Pansexual is 'gender blind'. They're attracted to people, period.

2. That still gives us the same issue. Blankity blank pointless labels. (See point one.) The more we try to pre-define everything about the not-always-consistant-humans, the more conflict it causes. See the people above in the comic.
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superdeformedchibi Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
I thought that I am technically pansexual because I'm attracted to those of male and female genders regardless of whether it matches their physical sex. I thought that was the difference between bisexual and pansexual. As far as being gender blind, I don't think I am because I can tell the difference between male and female (especially if I'm told!)

Labels are a necessary evil. Without definitions, nobody would ever know what anyone else was talking about. There are always exceptions to every rule but if I tell someone that I'm bisexual, heterosexual, or homosexual they will know whether or not they stand a chance with me (except that they really don't because I'm happily married). Of course, if I tell someone I'm pansexual they usually think I have a kitchenware fetish or am attracted to satyrs, lol! Which is why I call my bisexual.
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012
I know that labels have their uses. Everything from console vs PC, to red vs green.

But we don't need to put labels on things needlessly The words "Gay", "Straight", "lesbian", "bisexual" and "Pansexual" are relativly moot points, especially if these CAN change, even if not at the will of the person.

People try to attribiute all these extraneous factors into what 'gay' means. (Read: Flamboyant, possibly girly, ect ect.)

All I'm saying is why can't we just use "Likes boys" "likes girls" "likes both" or "doesn't care"? Those terms come with their own descriptors. Can't be confused for anything else.
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Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2012
Labels aren't necessarily evil, though - they can also be the constructs of a community.
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
I KNOW that. Bleh. But we need to be particularly careful with them. Or atleast be willing to change the definitions when the old ones no longer apply.

Labels ARE constructs of the community. And as we all know, the community isn't always the most open minded.
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superdeformedchibi Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
I would really dislike it if someone said "She doesn't care who she sleeps with". Plus I don't "like girls" or "like boys" because that would make me a pedophile (not the descriptors you were thinking of but technically these words still refer a child of a particular gender). Besides, why not be concise and say "I am a vegetarian" rather than "I only eat that which is not a food composed of meat or animal byproducts". Unlike sexual orientation, vegetarianism is many times a choice rather than something that is thrust upon you by factors beyond your control. But the status of someone's vegetarianism often does change as there is often a time before the person is a vegetarian (an omnivore). Yet there is little confusion over what a vegetarian is and while there may be some confusion as to what a particular vegetarian will find acceptable to eat (vegan vs. ovo-lacto vegetarian)as that is necessary is quick question as to whether said person would find a particular dish appealing and the matter is settled.

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree in this case. I do hope you see where I'm coming from and I do hope that there are no hard feelings. I need a good argument every once in a while to get my mind of things.
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
I do, I do. I realize my statement doesn't apply to ALL labels. Certainly not all situations. I just think that it may make things easier for people who...blah. You heard my argument already. :P
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seb-deadzedcomics Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
on the subject of pan sexual, I disagree, and on the other points I agree totally.
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012
Nyaaan. :P
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seb-deadzedcomics Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
ze hell?,
No Idea why you say this... I was Just stating my belief that current Societal views on Gender roles and the current "labeling" of them is Crude and out-dated. Black and white Ideas build an Incoherent social structure and things "learned" from society at a very young age start making less sense as one grows. increasing the in-understanding of people outside those accepted norms.

E.g: "your either a Boy or a Girl, and you stay that way your whole life" ins completely untrue and very much outdated.
as a child i was brought up on the learned "fact" that I was male-any hints of femininity knocked out-of me at young age because of a Child's Innate need to "fit in" with their peer's learned social norm.
- I believe that Children should be taught in school "neutrally"-I.E not assigning a gender specific role at all- allowing them to make up their own minds as to which label and "label set" they assign themselves- perhaps one day in official letters(bank statements etc.) a completely gender-free title could be used such as "Citizen" or something along those lines-only selecting a gender specific title by ones own choice.
the 20th century led to the "recognition and equality of rights" to many sub-communities of the populace- I hope the 21's century leads to the acceptance of a non-Black or white gender worldview and the "normalization" of currently differentiated gender roles.
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
*pokes* Relaaax~ My "Nyaan" is more or less a habitually formed nonsense-word, that I tend to use on the internet when I have no idea what else to say. I preeeety much agree with everything you said in the first paragraph.

*shrugs*
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seb-deadzedcomics Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
oh...Awesome
...lol
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14bj337 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012
I agree completely. The terms "straight", "gay", "lesbian", and "bisexual" only work if both the subject and the object of affection are either completely male or completely female; they ignore the existence of those who consider themselves both, or neither, or a third gender, etc.. And, of course, there's the distinction between romantic attraction and sexual attraction, which everyone, it seems, assume go hand-in-hand with one another.

I think people just need to view others for who they are, rather than assigning them to one group or another. I don't know - maybe I'm being overly optimistic, or fighting human nature, or something like that. But I definitely agree that current popular views on gender identity and attraction are way too black-and-white, when there's so much gray going on.
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012
Huzzah! Yet another Devient with a good head on his/her/it's shoulders~
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Freddy-kun Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
*snicker* "Never had a prayer..." considering the school, this is very funny to an atheist like me. XD
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Musicallover1234 Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Student Writer
Wow! I can see why, it frustrates you. But its tough to talk to close minded people that will not listen to you, i now the feeling. Bisexuals do exist because there is a spectrum and everyone is different. But it is tough for Gavin to tell the truth and not betray his friends.
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mhtg Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012   General Artist
Sometimes i think that if there was one war worth fighting it be the war against the closed minded but its a war with little hope of notable victory but it can be won just takes time
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Doomdragon Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Bisexuals are just a myth, like big foot, Nessie, Jackie Onassis, and professional wrestling :D

I myself have been dubbed by my sisters gay friend as heteroflexible
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Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2012
Since when is Jackie Onassis a myth? xD
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Doomdragon Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
SHE'S IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND! You tell me that's not a myth!
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Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012
She's at Arlington, buried next to JFK, is she not?
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Doomdragon Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
AHA! But that's what they want you to believe =3=... Just like how it wasn't Elvis that shot JFK in the first place!
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kalistina Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Student Digital Artist
As a matter of fact, I'm not sure sexual orientations actually are stable. To begin with, there's a reasonable chance the whole "sexual orientation" concept is a self-reinforced construction (that is, an initially fictive idea that became real because it was thought to be real). There are tendencies, but I know I've felt attracted to people who weren't the gender I usually feel attracted to (I consider myself a lesbian, but I have felt attracted to guys in the past even though I honestly don't think calling myself bi would be accurate).

I feel sexual orientations can fluctuate, depending on tons of social factors (such as who you're talking to, who you aren't talking to, who talks or doesn't talk to you, etc.). Talking about them as set isn't necessarily an error (they usually don't change), but I think Gavin's a little too sure about Rudy's permagay status.

I don't think Rudy's likely to change his sexual orientation, but technically speaking, he's in a hetero relationship right now (from most valid point of view). My opinion is, Rudy's in an If It's You It's Okay kind of situation with Rain. As in, he's gay by default (he'll spontaneously head toward male people for relationships, which is what I'd feel most comfortable with calling "sexual orientation"), but he became attracted to Rain for various reasons, among which physical gender honestly doesn't feel that important. Rather, Rudy has feelings to Rain.

... I guess the bottom line would be, "Love knows of no gender."
Sexual orientations are social constructions, rather than part of one's "identity" (the stuff that cannot change no matter what about a person), methinks.
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Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2012
I'm thinking Gavin was so adamant about Rudy's being gay in an attempt to nip the whole "Gay can be cured" thing in the bud. Also, let's face it; Gavin's classmates are such box-thinkers that they believe bisexuals don't exist and the finer points of orientation are "made up" - I honestly don't think their brains would be able to digest any sort of gray area situations or anything.
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kalistina Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Point taken, yup.
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14bj337 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012
I definitely agree on your points about sexual orientation; both about it being able to change, and about it being much less rigid than people make it out to be. It's not like straight guys are attracted to all women, or gay guys are attracted to all men. I don't think attraction is about having a feeling for one group, so much as it is about having a feeling for one individual. The problem is that, when a person has felt attraction to several individuals who fit into the same group (maybe they're female, or tall, or love to play tennis), he assumes that he'll only ever be attracted to people who are female, or tall, or who love to play tennis. So, if he ever feels attracted to someone who's male, or short, or who's never picked up a racket in his life, he gets thrown off. The point I'm trying to make is that, when it comes to attraction, all of those qualities are equally arbitrary; it's either there or it's not there, and it's foolish to re-evaluate who you are, at your core, based on the feelings you've discovered you have for someone else.

That's my take on it, at least.
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012
Humans are humans afterall..everything fluctuates....still brings me back to my earlier point. In a perfect world, there'd BE no "sexual orientations". In the same sense that I can say, "I don't usually like racing games, but Sonic Riders is an exception", I'd be able to say, "I'm not usually attracted to guys, but so and so is an exception." And no one would question it.

Instead we get stuck with all this BS with people trying to impose labels on everyone else, and define what they can and can't do. >_<
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Animasword Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
And once again I feel sorry for Gavin; it's hard (almost impossible) to try and explain the truth to people when they want to believe something else, especailly if it's bigoted.
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LittleWolfDreamer Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Professional Writer
I like the "you guys are kinda stupid" look he gives them.
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mayfirerose Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess then I dont exist XP lol
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transgendergamer Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012
"My dad says bisexuals don't even exist."
Recation: Either your dad is an ignorant asshole or I'm going to start vanishing Back to the Future style!
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Chicken-Yuki Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012   Traditional Artist
Wow, with the bisexuality line.

Don't get me started on asexuality.... ^^;
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chaoswolf1982 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"turning gay", "bisexuals don't exist"...

Damn, I can actually picture you physically grimacing in distaste as you wrote those words.
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MelodieRox Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
SO ANNOYING!!! Bisexuals do, too, exist. :tantrum:
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seeker-of-revelation Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I've run across people professing the opinion that bisexuality doesn't exist almost as many times as I've run across people who self-identify as bisexual. I can't understand where that incredulity comes from. Doesn't it make more sense that there'd be a spectrum of attraction, as opposed to everyone being at one extreme or the complete opposite?
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samrules4 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012
Gavin must be having it pretty rough throughout this whole story, it would be kind of rough to go through your whole life being mostly normal, and then suddenly you have to deal with all this, i didn't really like how people hated him towards the beginning just because he was confused and in shock.
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