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RAIN p194 - The Bad Guy by JocelynSamara RAIN p194 - The Bad Guy by JocelynSamara
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Okay, so Rudy is indeed being a bit apathetic towards his sister and his friends, but here’s the question: Is he really wrong?

Hypothetically speaking, if you have a crush on someone - and so do three of your best friends - do you back off in favor of making your friends happy or do you pursue your crush? If you said you’d back off, would you change your mind after a significant amount of time has passed with no one doing anything? Is there an okay amount of time to wait? And if your crush gets asked out and swept away by a third party that isn’t among you or your friends, wouldn’t that just be a thrown away chance for you and everyone you seeked to help?

Deep page. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. I feel like I haven’t proposed an “in their shoes” question in a long time.

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Koriyu Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Holy shit, that was the best answer to that sort of situation I've ever seen!
XenomorphWarrior418 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Still confuzzled as to if Rudy is still gay in some way and is doing what Gavin and Maria are doing or....ARGH!
wolf-blazer Featured By Owner May 5, 2012  Student Interface Designer
like we say in my country " TE LA APLICARON"( PWONED!)
Ryu890 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
Rudy has logic! :D
Blueshadez Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2012
I hate the viewpoint of someone being the bad guy in any relational situation. There are reasons for everything and if everything is grey across the board then who's really in the wrong?
On2XSecretProbation Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I'm the kind of person who would delay and then end up too scared to do anything. Then someone else would swoop in and I'm SOL. Yay high school drama! Good thing I'm going out tonight so now I can repress the memories with booze.
pikaman6 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012
Look out guys, we've got a badass over here
Amollion Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012
hes got a point
Avistew Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
I would say if you know other people like them, the right thing to do would be give them a heads-up about asking the person out before you do, out of respect. But otherwise I don't see a reason to back off. After all the person might say no, and you'd want to know where you stand.
Maka00 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
I'd go at it. Ask them out! I'm going to die eventually and so are they. Live life while you can, so many never get the chance.
chitttick1 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
I'd say waiting is the best idea, depending.... I think it really depends on who likes the person more, and if everyone likes them about the same, then it should go by who liked them first. Otherwise it could go by maybe who needs them more. If none of those, then I say the person is free game, and will go with which ever one they like.
MysticalSkeleton Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
He's not wrong especially if Rain is happy
Musetry Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
Hmm... I can definately understand why he'd do this.

For one- there's always that person who's afraid. the one doing their hardest to get noticed, or even ask them out- but it never happens because they can't work up the courage to do it. in a way, if a friend takes them away, it sort of helps, doesn't it? it reminds them that this game has a time limit- and that waiting around isn't the best way to go about things.

For another- Rudy has a point. if you're not the one to take that shot... who will?
louisdragon109 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
awn don't worry Maria something'll turn up ^^
adragonknight Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
well, i think i agree with Rudy. someone has to make the first move.

altough i have never been in that situation, mostly cause i haven't had a crush as of yet.
AdmrlWashinton Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Rudy makes a good point but, I still don't like it, of course it's because my OTP probably won't become canon.
Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
What is your OTP, if I may ask? (Hehe, sorry, I'm just curious.)
AdmrlWashinton Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Well I know it's not what the term means, but well I have an OTP for every series (much like everyone else) but here it's Rain and Maria.
Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012
Ah, cool! I'm not sure if I have an OTP for this series yet - time will tell, I suppose!
maruul Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
Yep. There comes a time when you have to take care of yourself. I probably would have done the same (ok no I would've hidden in fear of rejection, but had I the confidence I would've...), but if someone else went first and was accepted, I would back off and just suffer in silence and let them be happy. I think it's the right thing to do. It's wrong to make others miserable just because their happiness makes you miserable.
Chicken-Yuki Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012   Traditional Artist
Eh, no comment.

Just gonna draw something instead. :XD:
Musicallover1234 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Student Writer
Rudy is right, he does like Rain so he decided to be the first one to ask. Maria and the others had enough time to ask her and see what she wanted. Maybe this will make Maria decide to tell Rain she likes her too. It is a deep page though and i wonder what else is in store for everyone.
PrincessJessica Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
rudy makes a good point
psnhoods86 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
I dont like Rude, he likes Rain for being a boy so why would Rain go out with him. She might as well just take her girls clothes of and say shes a boy.
SirCalistine Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
That's not necessarily true. Rudy doesn't lie, and he told her that he sees her as a girl despite knowing her past, and that he's the only girl he could ever have feelings for. He likes her for who she is, not what she is. Stranger things have happened.
psnhoods86 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
If that was me and some gay boy asked me out id say no, You just dont chose to be straight after coming out as gay. He also says something like 'your a girl on the outside but you still have a penis' so .... hes still got THAT on his mind. I just hope rain fines a strait boy how will just like her as her or maybe an onther transsexual.
Animasword Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That was a nice comeback by Rudy, and I do agree with him that sometimes one has to be the bad guy and make the first move...although I doubt I'd ever have the guts to do that. It'll be interesting to see how these words effect Maria; will they inspire her to act, or cause her to sulk even more?

On a side note, Rudy is starting to remind me of Zelos from Tales of Symphonia, a comedic character who is constantly delievering 'harsh but true' perals of wisdom to the other characters.
lucario515 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
THIS LOGIC! I love it. Rudy x Rain <333
Undertaker972 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
honestly i wouldnt know what to do in that situation since ive never been in one like that. ive never pursued a crush, both my ex and my current gf asked me out
Target-Locked Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
He's right ... But I really feel for Maria. I hope she gets her shot.
MicronConvoy Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
Totally agree with Rudy here. You don't get to share in these situtations, so someone will literally make a move after awhile. Ahh teenagers
Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
While I do see the logic behind Rudy's statement, what he SHOULD HAVE DONE was ASK PERMISSION before revealing his feelings to Rain. What's more, he's talking about feelings as though they have an expiration date - "Oh, these people didn't do anything within x amount of time, so their feelings are no longer valid!"

Honestly, Rudy's flippant, selfish attitude is really making me angry. How can he not even have the decency to APOLOGIZE?!
ArtLovingTeenager Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
I love Rudy.
MakotoTaka Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Rudy's right. Someone had to make a move, especially considering how popular Rain appears to be. And for Gavin, Maria and Ky, it would be more reassuring to see her date someone they know and trust as opposed to someone that they've never met before. I'm totally on Rudy's side with this one.
dragon8writer Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
I don't think there is a right answer. I mean, you can decide as a group not to pursue her, if you want to maintain your friendship - or you can try to go after them.

Just keep in mind - even if you succeed, you may be spending the entirety of your relationship with people trying to steal her away from you... (People who feel betrayed don't generally play nice.)
kalistina Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I've been in this kind of situation, in all three seats (desired, desiring, 'bad guy/girl').

To be very blunt, I think Rudy's right, all the way. Not speaking your feelings only ends up creating regrets for you; not taking your feelings in consideration for your friends' 'sake' is the best way to create mute hatred toward them later on.
Also, thinking you're 'stealing' the person from your friend group is an excellent way to mistake them for an object. They're able to take decisions too, for everything that is holy's sake.
Makes me think of the "I didn't want to make use of her feelings" excuse that keeps on coming up in refused intercourse situations (especially on the masculine side of the spectrum...). When a person wants to have sex with another one, well, she wants to. If the feeling is mutual, there's no reason to feel guilty or anything.

... Oh, and in my case, I'd ideally propose a polyamorous relationship to the whole group, but that's a different set of shoes altogether.

I've missed way too many awesome relationships because of the desiring stance. Unwilling to get trapped by it again.
seeker-of-revelation Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
To not be the bad guy in that sort of situation, all it would take would be an "I like this girl and I'm going to ask her out," to the other interested parties beforehand. Just grabbing the girl out of the blue and kissing her at a party when you know that other people around you like her (friends and family to boot) is a flat out dick move.
LittleWolfDreamer Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Professional Writer
He's not doing wrong at all... It's a good point he's made.
mayfirerose Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I would go for it.... I mean, its just as rudy said. And I mean, if they wont do it, I will. OR we all go and tell her how we feel, and let her choose what to do.
KirukaChan Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Looks like Maria just got cast for the leading role in Toldeneye 007.
Zain-a-k Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
I haven't thought about this kind of stuff at all, but Rudy's argument is pretty damn logical, and I think I agree with him.
14bj337 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
I don't get why they can't just all go out with Rain! The more, the merrier, right?

Seriously, though, I love how Rudy responds to Maria's accusations against him; he doesn't protest them, he even adds Ky to the list! Clearly, Maria feels betrayed by Rudy, as he was aware of her interest in Rain. Perhaps it was wrong of Rudy to slight his friends by making a move on Rain, when Maria and Gavin were interested first. But, Rudy definitely has a point: neither of them have told Rain about their feelings. The closest Maria came was that not-so-well-received flirt back in chapter 3, while Gavin seems more intent on reviving their lost friendship than building something more. I mean, it seems like they could have at least tried something during that "lost month" between chapters 5 and 6. Rudy was the first one to come out about his feelings to Rain; in part, I think this can be attributed to his personality, to his tendency to say what's on his mind without regard for the consequences. Also, the fact that Rudy's willing to be seen as betraying his friends, his family, and his identity, shows just how much importance he puts on being with Rain. As long as his feelings for Rain are genuine - and it seems to me that they are - I don't think Rudy can really be said to be doing anything wrong.

This "week" is just starting, and I'm already intrigued! Here's hoping for more humor and drama soon!
zero1891 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
it all comes down to the bro code there time for dibs ran out so rain was free game to anyone
coffinstufferd Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
While Rudy does have a point, I have to wonder what will happen if it doesn't work out. Will everyone still be friends? I try not to like someone if I know my friends like them.
SHarles25 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
this is not as simple as a love triangle, must of us can go through and live on.
But here it IS nothing less than a love pentagon! The backlashes to come are going to be something to recon!!!
LeucisticRaccoon Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I just thought of something...

Whats Rains relatives going to say when they finally find out that she not only have been dressing and being a girl, but also has been dating a guy once thought to be gay?

I cannot wait to see how this story plays out!

Keep drawing!!!
gaoyuqing Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
Ooo, tough question! Well if someone else I was friends with liked the person before I did, I might wait a while even if I did like them out of respect, but if we both liked the person at the same time, and each waited for the other out of "respect" then no-one would do anything. In the former case if the friend didn't act on their crush and I got to like the person, I would probably act after a certain time to make sure the friend wouldn't act at all. I would probably warn them of my interest however to let them know up front. I wouldn't blindside them. After all is their interest any more important than my own or are they equal? A person and a relationship with them aren't a commodity or possession after all where first claim takes the rights to them.
In any event it'd be better to have the person remain in my circle of friends than with a 3rd party even if I didn't get them.
Dark7Hero Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
he's got a point
Sharpie-Sketch Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
Swept my girlfreind away from two close friends of mine, when I knew they both liked her. Did their backlash suck something awful? You bet it did. Would I do it again? Definitely. When you have a group of friends who all like the same person, you can't dance around the issue, and it's true, someone has to be the bad guy. Luckily that someone gets quite a bit out of the deal, or no one would ever step up and bit the bullet. ;]
SirCalistine Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
Rudy is 100% right. Maria had her chance and she blew it because she assumed she would be rejected.
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