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Good job, Rain. Way to rationally think out everything you’re going to say, so nothing comes off too harsh and no bridges are burned. That’s very responsible, and I think this is gonna go really well for you.


Uh… wait…
What did Rudy just say?

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678091 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
VixTheNinthFox Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2014
apparently he is bi xD and all that planning for their conversation, poof with one sentance
Dinomaster75 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
Everyone loves Rain!
Fallenangel2002 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
:D i know it, still a Ky fan though
Ryu890 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
Why is it that people keep telling me that rationalizing out your solutions to problems is 'manly'? Ugh...
wolf-blazer Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2012  Student Interface Designer
(santos putos mocos ! i nerver see that coming!)
HugoMndz Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Y dime, de dónde sacaste la expresión? I've never listened before, y me hizo reventar de risa
14bj337 Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012
And so, the best laid plans of mice and men gang eft agley...

Seriously, though, I love how this page captures an instance so common in real life: you've thought about it, you've prepared an argument, you know exactly what to say... and then whomever you're talking to just drops a bomb. It's especially fitting, giving the characters involved: the meticulous Rain and the haphazard Rudy. This exchange highlights their already-established character traits.

It does bring something out into the open, though; Rudy likes Rain. Now, what exactly he means by "like" is open yet to interpretation. Perhaps he does feel a romantic attraction to Rain, which would explain the kiss. Or, perhaps his "like" really refers to care, admiration, respect, trust, or one of countless other aromantic feelings one person can hold for another. With just the start of Rudy's confession, this page really ends on a cliffhanger.

Beyond that, one thing I noticed about Rain's intended talk to Rudy: it's surprisingly self-centered. Rain is concerned about how Rudy's action affected how the other students view her, and she expresses a desire that he not do it again (and rightfully so). However, she doesn't plan to ask Rudy why he chose to crossdress, nor why he kissed her at all. I feel like Rain underestimates Rudy - she only sees the compulsive, positive, foolish on the outside, without considering that things may be going on inside. What Rudy has to say, then, promises to change Rain's perception of him.

Unfortunately, I've been too busy (read: distracted) to comment on the last few pages. I really like where the story is going, though; it's exciting at every turn, offering both humor and character development. Of course, I haven't come to expect anything less =D.
ThornPie Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Maka00 Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012
So far all of Rains friend had/have a crush on her...and so far she's too caught up in hiding for romance...DUH DUH DUH PLOT POINTS AWAIT!
Annihilare Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Student Artist

I had to re-read the last panel to make sure I wasn't hallucinating.
DingDong-Writer Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Student Writer
themusicmarionette Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012   Writer
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I can just feel that the next page isn't goint to be about Rudy and Rain DX
coffinstufferd Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012
I would also like to add that Rain looks like a dinosaur in the last panel. Rawr! :meow:
Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012
Now, hang on just a moment here. I know this revelation has everyone rather up-in-arms, but what if Rudy was only referring to the platonic 'like'? His next sentence, for all we know, could be "You're a really cool person, and I don't want to lose you as a friend. So, sorry for doing something so stupid".

Personally, I'm going to wait for Rudy to fully reveal his thoughts before anything else.
Musicallover1234 Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Student Writer
Well, looks like i got it right. The question now is does Rudy like Rain as a female or does he like her as a male. If he likes her as a female then i would say that he has a straight attraction to her and that makes him bi-sexual. If however he likes her as a male than i would say that he is still gay and finds some attraction to her dressing up and presenting as a girl. Either way i think that we are about to learn something more about him and what kind of things that he likes, but i guess in a way Rain did make Rudy straight. But this just adds to the complexity of Rain's life now not only does Maria like her but so does her brother a brother and sister romance oh boy. And thanks for not dragging it out so much, but we will see why he likes her.
Rotoxys Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012
This seems to happen every time... When you plan something out, it never goes like that. And if you try to make it, it just sounds silly and stupid. I can relate >>;
Blueshadez Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012
Well then... is Rudy the first to say that directly to Rain? I'm interested to see if he still views himself as gay or not. I feel Rain would be insulted if he still does. Hm... I guess I'll have to wait and see how this unfolds. I was certainly not expecting this. I thought Gavin and Maria would be the only major characters to be attracted to Rain. Rudy being a possibility didn't even cross my mind. I mean sure maybe he's straight now, but he could possibly be gay still. There's more to attraction than just sexual attraction. However there's also the possibility that all of this won't be clearly stated and we'll all have to theorize.
MicronConvoy Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012
I hate when stuff like that happens. "So I need to talk to you about last night. I was really not cool when -"Karen's pregnant."
... well, fuck."
HiSenshi Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
So, is Rudy bi now? o.o

~ Hi-chan <3
Fluffy-Artist Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012
Woah. That was...uh....unexpected.... Does he mean like as in "like like"???
The drama thickens.
Animasword Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Two/three questions arise from this.

1) Does Rudy's 'like' mean sexual attraction (and if so where did it spring from)?
2) Can Rain stay rational/cival after hearing that?
JocelynSamara Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Professional Writer
3) Will Rain even remember ANY of what she was even about to say?
kalistina Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Student Digital Artist

Oh boy, was in a 'similar' situation once (but without being in girl attire). Akward.
The guy in question had been sleeping in my bed for a few months (for very different, practical reasons - my parents were offering him a place to sleep at because he couldn't cope with his own parents anymore).
He seemed to want to hug me, reflexively did once, and I decided that had been enough on my emotions ^^'. That was when I started to ask him to slip upside-down (so our heads were opposite of each other).

lady-die Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
And now we explore the differences between gender, (birth) sex, and sexuality.

People that are gay can also be attracted to the feminine as well as the masculine - traits of gender. But are generally attracted to someone that's the same sex as they are if not at least partially Bi to some degree. Plus unless I missed it, Rain hasn't been to an endocrinologist for hormone treatments yet, so she's still giving off natural pheromones which Rudy would instinctively find attractive. That on top of his knowledge of Rain being TG, her personality, and so many other complex factors.

So the way I see it...
Male/Female/Inter = Birth sex
Masculine/Feminine/Andro = Gender
Gay/Straight/Bi = Sexuality

...and everything else under the rainbow!
JocelynSamara Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Professional Writer
This is absolutely true, incidentally. I used to know this gay guy who can be quoted as saying that he loved breasts. Didn't make him any less gay, or really, any more attracted to women. He just... had an odd fascination with breasts, and was perfectly comfortable enough with his sexuality to say so.

And just because, now that you mention it, I don't know if I've ever really said this in canon yet: But no, Rain has not begun hormone treatment yet. She hasn't even begun therapy yet. She's totally pre-transition. She only looks as convincing as she does because she knows all the tricks. ^_^
God-bless-you-all Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow! Didn't expect that! :meow:
ywywag299 Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
poor rain. all she wants is to be normal but she inspires such strange feelings in her friends in peers.
BoiChick Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
Oh, gosh, now I feel so bad for them.

Is this just something every transsexual seems to go through at some point? Has to be terrible for Rudy, too. ._.
moonpuppy4 Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
.....0.0 I...I thought it.... was JUST the
geibenchan Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
well this is surprising. he doesn't see rain as a girl... that's kind of insulting... (i think)
Xallamax Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist

Woah... um... Did not see that coming...
isha-quetzal Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
Oh, wow.

... I guess Rudy isn't 100% gay. Which makes sense. Isn't it a scale, anyways? Maybe Rudy's also really confused due to the whole physical/mental/real/what/not-so-real/oh-this-is-confusing/*insert-more-ideas-here* kind of thing? I mean, he kept using the wrong pronouns at first, even. Maybe he has a mixed idea about Rain?
GearsoftheMind Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
The scale that most people tend to babble about in trends of sexuality is the Kinsey Scale (though note that a fair bit of his work is now out dated because of his smaller sample size)
wiki link power activate!
SilenceIzumi Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
.... Wait... what? Rain's face, my god <3
the-dead-romantic Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
that.... was unexpected... umm... thats ... umm...
FenrirDarkWolfe Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Student General Artist
...:iconmindplz: :iconequalsplz: :iconexplodeplz:
LittleWolfDreamer Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Professional Writer
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coffinstufferd Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
Does Rudy like the male part of Rain or does he see her as a girl? Can he even truly like her for who she is if he likes men?
Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012
Rudy himself said to Maria (back in Chapter 3 or something) that Rain is the girliest girl he knows. I hope that helped answer your question somewhat!
coffinstufferd Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012
This is a very good point. I had forgotten that.
Xallamax Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I have a similar feeling and wonder about Rudy, part of the reason this took me totally by surprise.
Q9R42 Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Guess he wasn't gay! Ta-dah!!!
ivanprz Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
he likes a boy-to-girl-transexual, how is that not gay

Q9R42 Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think the better question would be, how is it gay?
I mean, Rain clearly exudes femininity, and no masculinity. Which is the only thing our sexual urges care about as far as i know.
And let's say Rudy actually thought of it logically instead of just on a purely animalistic level. He knows fully well that she's a girl, and won't even have the appendixes he desires (If he is gay) in a near future.

But really. My personal belief in this is that there's more to Rudy than meets the eye, and that sexuality is a lot more complex than i understand it.
I mean. This idea of it being either black, white or gray is kind of silly.
ivanprz Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I have always been pro-LGBT, I respect them and I would fight for their rights if I had too
but lets not confuse, she is a transexual, not a female
both have the same right to be threated as a woman, to be threaded with respect and everything
but if a man likes a transexual, that makes him homosexual, no matter what

and as for the "appendixes" you can't be sure about that, a lot of transexuals live happily without the surgery

but as you say maybe it isn't black or white, maybe he's just bi and thats it
JocelynSamara Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Professional Writer
I'm afraid that is incorrect, sir. A transsexual woman is still a woman, and as a transsexual man is indeed a man (otherwise, I would not be referring to Rain as a "she" since day one). Gender is NOT decided by what is found between a person's legs. It's defined by how the individual feels. If someone has a male body, but identifies themselves as female, then they are female. Period. And that's really all there is to it.

So, if a man is attracted to a male-to-female transsexual, it is a straight attraction regardless of whether the surgery is done or not. If the aforementioned transsexual in question is still presenting as male despite her identity, it will probably be viewed as a gay attraction to the unknowing masses. But semantically-speaking, for this situation we are still talking about a male showing interest in a female; as such, it is a straight attraction.

In the case of the story, whether that means Rudy is bisexual or pansexual or just really confused or any number of other things remains to be seen. But even an if an established gay character like Rudy shows interest in a male-to-female transsexual like Rain, it is actually no less straight than if he suddenly told Emily or Holly that he liked them (whether he himself realizes that or not).
Q9R42 Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't agree with you on that at all. But i'm not going to argue about it, because that's just pointless.
All i know is that it'll be fun to see how the story unfolds. n.n
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