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Really intense page. I donít envy the choice Gavin has to make. Mind you, as the writer, I kinda had to make that choice for him, which was something I actually agonized over for a little while myself. For the record, I even went so far as to script it in BOTH directions a few pages just to see which way I liked things better. It wasnít easy, but Iím satisfied with my choiceÖ

ÖI mean, Gavinís choice.

But seriously, if you were in Gavinís shoes, how would you approach Rain?

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:icondreamingxashley:
DreamingxAshley Featured By Owner May 22, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Gavin irritates me and i would love to slap him. Everhthings mememe. We don't hide our identity problem to lie and hurt people we hide it to protect ourselves from religious zealots and closed-minded bigots.
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Ryu890 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012
Perfect characters are boring. :) You made the right choice.

Honestly, if it was ME in his shoes....I wouldn't be in that situation. I probably would have apologized the next day....
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UsagiKnight Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
In the end that is the only thing we can do. To hold a grudge will cause rust onto the sides of our heart. And corrosion will spread if we just defend our beliefs. It is sad, but their is always something more important than who was right.

Great dialogue in this piece and though its not as strong, it is supposed to be a prologue to what Gavin hopes to say to his former friend Ryan as he tells it to Rain. That is the best way to describe it, as he is a boy that feels that Rain is still a stranger that killed someone important to him. But like all such events, we need to wait to see if it really works out.

(not the best comment ever from me, sorry)
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Dark7Hero Featured By Owner May 25, 2011
Rudy=Best advice giver ever
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:iconusagiknight:
UsagiKnight Featured By Owner May 18, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
In the end, no one is the bad guy here, there is just a lot of misunderstanding and everything reacted naturally to it. But as Rudy said, he needs to be the bigger man and apologize if he still wants the friendship to work. I also hope he does express his feelings. It may confuse Rain a bit (feelings of love from one of your childhood friends is always weird), but still in someway, it might help them both cope
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StoryTypist Featured By Owner May 17, 2011
I'd agonize over this choice too :iconwhutplz:.
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Dinadan-Ermorfea Featured By Owner May 17, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I can sort of see where Gavin's comming from, but I think he's over reacting a tad. I'd say that it's wrong to say that their friendship was built on a lie - for one they were both little kids when they were friends, so it's unfair to suggest that Rain had a 100% clear idea about her identity back then, especially as her family probably (whether inadventantly or overtly) had her surpress it somewhat (either consciously or unconciously); for two, I'd think that she's still mostly 'the same person' (for lack of a better term), or at least as much as one is the same person as they were years ago. I'm not an expert, but unless someone was really trying to supress themsleves and forcing themselves to conform to society's 'norms' (badly named, because after all, what is 'normal'? ;) ), they'd still largely be the same person (in terms of likes, dislikes, morals, etc) whether they were open about their gender identity or not - i.e. a mtf person who like 'guyish' things such as sports, etc before coming out would still like those things after coming out and would be 'tomboyish' as a girl and wouldn't spontaniously become a 'girly girl'.

Of course I could be mistaken :ashamed:, but I've been questioning my own gender identity recently (although admitantly not with vigourous scrutany) and (if I am transgendered) I personally wouldn't want tospontaneous become a girly girl, and instead would keep my likes and dislikes as they are now and I'd think the largest change would be in terms of feeling better about life and happier with myself after I transitioned.
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dolphin64575 Featured By Owner May 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
If I was Gavin, I'd probably explain that gaining Rain doesn't make up for losing Ryan, and that it's fucking hard to understand, let alone adjust to.

And damn, is it just me, or is Rudy "wise beyond his years"? (In quotes because I hate when adults think teens can't be serious and knowledgeable about stuff simply because of their age.)
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FireLilyoftheValley1 Featured By Owner May 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Suck it up, it doesn't matter what gender they were born as or now wish to be… your friend is still your friend, just accept them as they are… :glomp:
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Mage421 Featured By Owner May 16, 2011
Seconded ^^
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Musicallover1234 Featured By Owner May 16, 2011  Student Writer
Your right it is definitely intense. But maybe soon he will actually become friends with Rain again.
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adragonknight Featured By Owner May 16, 2011
But seriously, if you were in Gavin’s shoes, how would you approach Rain? that is a rather difficult question as i myself have not found myself in a situation like this before i don't know how i would react if i found myself in the situation. but i hope i would accept it and move on as friends as i find nothing wrong with being gay lesbian bisexual or transexual. but then again i do not think i have meet anyone that is transexual yet (maybe on the buss or the mall) but not more than that
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mayfirerose Featured By Owner May 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
If I was anything like Gavin, im totally not XD, I would end up Going to Rain and asking why? I would want to know everything before making any decisions.
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Animasword Featured By Owner May 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yep, Rudy's definetly becoming my favorite character at this point. As for Gavin's choice...yeah it's a tough one. I guess if I was him I would try to apologise and accept it, but then again I'm the type that tries to avoid arguements unless it's something I really believe in, so I probably wouldn't react the same way as Gavin.
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COMPUTERMANMIK428 Featured By Owner May 16, 2011
wow gavin is really upset.
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majorkerina Featured By Owner May 16, 2011  Student Writer
Interesting development ^^.


PS ---I wouldn't mind seeing a shaved Gavin in a dress however....
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dolphin64575 Featured By Owner May 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
fanart time?
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majorkerina Featured By Owner May 16, 2011  Student Writer
^_^ Maybe.
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OrangeDemi Featured By Owner May 16, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
gavin meltdown in 3..2..1...
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moonpuppy4 Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
honestly? I wouldn't have cared in the first place XD
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YNot1989 Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd be honest, I'd say that I felt hurt that I never got to say goodbye and that while I no longer see Rain as Ryan, I'd like to start over as friends... if I were Gavin.
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xeyehategodx Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
Friendships are based on trust, so I could see where he is coming from, being pissed. But what did he do when they where younger that rain didnt trust him enough to confide in him?
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chucarnaj-peace Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
i never tought that Rudy can be soo serious with that hes rigth
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:iconalleen-vormgev:
alleen-vormgev Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Student Digital Artist
hi! a friend introduced me to his work today. I liked it! turned your fan, continues to produce that will eagerly follow ^ - ^ great story, very moving, congratulations!
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TheAlmightyMexican Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
I gotta say, I really like this comic! The emotions and situations feel incredibly real and believable, and despite toning down the art style, the facial expressions suit the emotions of the characters very well! I also love how the story seems to go on a clear, yet unpredictable, direction. Very well done! ^^
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Chicken-Yuki Featured By Owner May 15, 2011   Traditional Artist
I'll admit that as much as I'm trying to have Gavin's back in this, the third to the last panel is officially the doucheiest thing he's ever actually said.

^^;

That said, for some reason terms like being the "bigger person" has taken a very awkward, superficial connotation to me as of late. I suppose it doesn't sound so bad in this context, but still...

I suppose the question is, in order to properly move on, should he treat Rain like an old friend still, or start out completely from scratch?
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KirukaChan Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Eh, at this point, Gavin's really got nothing to lose by simply manning up and being on the level with Rain. Worst case scenario, he at least has the stress off his chest and he can shake the hoboitis; best case scenario, he also gets to be Rain's friend again. Then he's all set to trigger some flags and go for some event scenes.

...Well, unless he keeps implying that Rain is male. WISE UP, GAVIN. I JUST sprited you.
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Nelekra Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
I think it's so stupid how people think " OH YOU'RE TRAN AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ACCEPT YOURSELF!!! SO YOU LIED TO ME" it's like jeez I wasn't able to accept myself.. I didn't know what I was D:< Jeez it's so damn annoying and pathetic... It's a damn shame.. What's the big deal? Most of us don't know what we are immediately.. It takes some of us a while =|.. For shame Gavin :P
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chihuahua0 Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Student Writer
A lot of young people are unconformable about homosexuals, for obvious reasons. Considering that Gavin had been crushing on Rain, his reaction seems natural.
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Nelekra Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
Yeah I know but still, there's no need to =\ it's just a shame that that's the consensus this day for kids.
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superdeformedchibi Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Professional Artisan Crafter
Which obvious reasons are those? Nothing seems to be jumping right out at me.

Also, just to let you know, transsexual and homosexual are two completely different things. A transsexual deals with a gender identity issue, not a sexuality issue (or also a sexuality issue but it's separate). As a bisexual, I don't wish to become a hermaphrodite just as not every lesbian wishes to become a man or a gay wishes to become a woman.
Not even the drag queens.
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:iconchihuahua0:
chihuahua0 Featured By Owner May 16, 2011  Student Writer
I know, it's just that a lot of people treat the two issues the same way.
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:iconkirukachan:
KirukaChan Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Pause. How is homosexuality related to Gavin's issues with Rain's transexuality?
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:iconchihuahua0:
chihuahua0 Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Student Writer
The reason why the T exists in LGBT.

Also, remember the "You're totally gay for Rain!" line said by Rudy to Gavin.
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JocelynSamara Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Professional Writer
Rudy has also been established to not think things through before saying them...

And for the record, as Kiruka said, the T is really pretty tacked on. Even in an "LGBT safe environment", the most offensive thing I'd ever heard toward a transsexual came from the mouth of a gay man. The trans community is typically bottom rung, sometimes even looked down on by other members of LGBT...
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Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner May 16, 2011
It is? But... That shouldn't be. I mean, members of the LGTB (and heck, let's throw Q into the mix) community are all in the same boat, pretty much, so shouldn't they all be uniting against hatred and such and form.... well.... a community?

*hugs you and everyone else who has ever been made to feel 'bottom rung'*
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JocelynSamara Featured By Owner May 16, 2011  Professional Writer
Thank you. That means a lot, actually. :hug:

Ideally, it really should be more of a community, yes. Unfortunately, I've even seen unnecessary tension from one transgender to the next (although, thankfully not here; this was at a fully trans forum I was a part of years ago). It honestly troubles me.

I mean, I try to treat everyone with utmost respect. People are different, and I don't think myself better or worse than anyone; just different. I'm more than happy to accept everyone, and I never really found it that hard. So I wish I knew what other peoples' problems are...
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Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner May 16, 2011
Join the club. (Really, there should be a club. xD)
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:iconkirukachan:
KirukaChan Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah...here I thought they just added the T so that we wouldn't feel left out.

As for that line of Rudy's: he kinda needed to be smacked for saying it, but on the other hand Rudy was probably just trying to troll Gavin...and it worked, considering how it exposed Gavin as a tsundere.
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superdeformedchibi Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Professional Artisan Crafter
Amen, sister! I've noticed for awhile that the "T" seems to stand for "Tacked On" rather than "Transgender (or Transsexual)".
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Goodwrangler3 Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
Gavin can go two ways at this point, I just hope its the friend path. I do like seeing more of Gavin's inner struggle with all this. I just really hope he can just let it go and remember what led to the friendship hasnt change because Rain did.
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Undertaker972 Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
i guess i would just try to b the bigger person in Gavins place. it would b hard but i think i could manage it
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seraphim-kimiko Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Seriously. Gavin needs a hug. A bit one.
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maleprincess55 Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
i like gavins idea :3
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16bithero1995 Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
Rudy is a genius. I wish I was friends with him
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dragon8writer Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
Oh, and I already know how. (It's only ever been revealed to me online, and never quite so.. .big... i mean, there was you, ad someone telling me they were bi...)

But as a rule, I don't feel angry at people for not telling me. It's something big. Something they might be scared of. Rather, I feel disappointed in myself that I wasn't paying enough attention to figure it out. Even when it makes no sense for me to have known, I feel - as a friend - that _should_ have known; not necessarily to say anything about it, but just as part of being a friend for them...
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dragon8writer Featured By Owner May 15, 2011
Well, from that flashback, everyone laughed at her when she tried....
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chihuahua0 Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Student Writer
Great dialogue...but your art quality is starting to decay a little bit.
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JocelynSamara Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Professional Writer
My art quality really kind of varies from day to day. I thought after 70 pages, everyone knew that by now. ^_^
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chihuahua0 Featured By Owner May 15, 2011  Student Writer
However, in my part of the grape vine the number one complaint at Rain is the art (ie: "The art in this comic is driving me into a mild rage. Half the time, the characters don't even have mouths. (Animť characters may have tiny mouths in most cases, but at least they exist.)".)

(Half of the time may be a little of an exaggeration, but in "Transwhatever", I have to look real closely in order to see those little dots.)

Just giving you a heads-up from people who aren't afraid to criticize your work.
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