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RAIN p.3 - Prologue 3 by JocelynSamara RAIN p.3 - Prologue 3 by JocelynSamara
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Oh, good god! A splash page? Already? Donít worry, there arenít a lot of these (most pages in fact have quite a bit packed into them). In fact, aside from the chapter intro pages, this is technically the only one. I tend to find this to be cheap so Iíd like to not make a habit of splashes like this.

But onto the relevant subject matter! Whoís up for a little debate? Letís get a little controversial here, shall we? :XD:

How do you feel about the response Ryanís mother gave to her 4-year old child? Was she too hard on the kid? Do you think maybe she should have just humored him, especially since she herself just believes itís a phase? Or did she really do the best she could given the situation? If you were a parent and your very small child came to you and said what Ryan said, how would you respond? What is the right answerÖ if there is one?

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FSS-Zilla Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2015
To the debate question, I posit: the right response is to be aware of the options available, and encourage your child to understand the situation.  Though given the circumstances, I think she absolutely could have been more gracious and tactful, even with her position and knowledge of the subject matter.

I'd say her response is kind of the expected one, but certainly not the best.
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Cookie71266 Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"This won't last long."
Meanwhile, long later...
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IsangsimaronBatis Featured By Owner May 17, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think some children will take what their parents say with a grain of salt. Others treat what their parents say as the word of God. I think parents should weigh carefully what they say and be in tune with their child's feelings.
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VixTheNinthFox Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014
i'd see where it went, considering i'm mtf and i didn't realize until this year (i'm 17 V.V ) and that fact had me scared just changing my online profiles and saying it, i'd support them all the way
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OjouTsuki Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
Plot twist: It lasted. A LONG time.
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JamieAgathaRose Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't really see any fault in how she handled things or know how she could have handled it better. It's easy to assume that he didn't understand the difference between boys and girls yet. Kids do say some very bizarre things when they're little. I remember looking at traffic lights, wondering why there wasn't a blue light and then for some reason associating the blue light with bubble gum. (I was four...:|)

What I'm saying is that you really can't effectively explain the birds and the bees to a four year old. I don't really know what I would do if my child came to me and said that. But I'm so emotionally stunted that I'm probably not the best person to ask.

I mean, I can't imagine telling my parents about this as a child when I'm well into adulthood and still very much in the closet.
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dolphin64575 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Splash page well used. Really shows the emotion of how he feels all alone.
I would be totally ok with whatever my kid wanted to do. Tons of kids want to be firemen, and parents think it's cute. Only a few of these kids actually become firemen. If a young child told me they wanted to be the opposite gender, I might ask them why, and bar certain items from dress-up (expensive clothes). I wouldn't treat it like a joke or a phase, though. Kids can pick up on minuscule hints form adults, especially regarding what is and is not 'right'.

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This mom let her 5 year old son dress up as Daphne from Scooby-Doo for Halloween!
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dragon8writer Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
Sometimes, it's the most effective though!

It's a tough choice, and there is no right answer. It might be a phase, or it might not be. In this case, WE know it isn't, but...

The real conflict is this: finding out how to be supportive of what your child decides, without actively herding them down one path. There's nothing wrong with being transgender, but I imagine many components of being so are hard on the person... a need to put on female clothing, or wanting/needing an expensive surgery to shift genders isn't something you'd necessarily want your kid to have to go through if it can be avoided - but you HAVE to be supportive if it's part of who they are. (I don't think that such feelings and needs are generally artificially created, but i have to figure anything that comes naturally CAN be made artificially. If you dress your kid up as a girl from birth, it might shape their identity as a female more than otherwise, and might in fact take what really WAS a childhood phase into something long lasting.)

I mostly tend to feel that the physical body should have much less to do with gender than most people seem to assign to it. I tend to think that if people stopped listing gender by what was between the legs, if society in general could stop with it, there'd probably be far fewer people who wanted to change their sex. Or maybe far more.

Maybe it would stop being about the body being a prison, and start being a chance at exploration, where everyone feels they can still be themselves no matter WHAT they look like, so why shouldn't they look like someone else for a while? Assuming anyone ever manages to make an easy version of a pretty drawn out operation, anyway...

...Of course, the being a mommy thing isn't exaclty a viable option either way, I'm afraid, but just because you didn't go through the pain of birth doesn't mean you can't be a mother to a kid. At least in terms of what's stereotypically seen as one.

I know some people, including transgender people, disagree with me and think that the form IS important. Maybe I only feel this way because I have little gender identity myself - I'd be pretty much the exact same if I was born female, other than having a few genes from my mom I wouldn't want. (Mom's got borderline personality disorder. Runs in the female side of the family.)

But still... I tend to sort of feel that it's societies definitions of sexes and gender which make the prison, rather than the body itself. (I know a lot of people feel trapped by the body, too, but I sometimes wonder how much of that IS the body, and how much of it is simply the fact that after a lifetime of being told "You can't be a girl, you have boy parts," the two just start being irrevocably connected.)
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UsagiKnight Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010  Student Traditional Artist
About the splash page, you have to sometimes trust when to use them. I can understand why its here, its the same with the cover page. Its supposed to show Ryan alone with no one able to return his feelings about growing up to be a good mommy. Though in a lot of shoujo manga (don't know your ratio of shonen vs shojo in your manga, but I try to keep my demographic even) a splash page is somehow used with smaller panels. Kind of hard to explain, but Takeuchi-sensei did it a few time as she transitions to an intimate moment, or in this case, a moment of depression.

As for your question, I believe there is no answer. But since he was four years old it really must be a pure thought. There is no motivation, or idea of sexual preferences, or even benefits from society on his mind. So to be clear, he really sees it as a joy to grow up beautiful and, somehow, understanding. It really is a wonderful thought. Being an adult, we are blinded by the religious fanatics, the homophobics, and even the fetishists out there that we consider their safety above all else. But from my conversationss withg my dad, we both believe that who we are never grows old or changes, as we are an identity with dreams and a future. Some times we get blinded and lose are way, but our childish dreams remain, buried under desires of money, a clean house, a good job, and even a life partner. But in the end they are superficial and only conceal what we truly want. So in essence, it could be worse, but it really was like a dismissive response Ryan has been given, like they didn't listen at all. So despite its lack of trauma, it will only act as an infection becoming so painful it can't be ignored. And for someone so young, it is a terrible fate. And sometimes we carry it with us into adulthood as we try to cover it up, lower it, or even crudely remove the infection ourselves. Only to find that we remember the dreams held in those innocent years before we transcend our mortal guises. Again, its sad, but the worst is that Ryan's dream is real to him. And for that he really needed more understanding.

(damn, why the hell did I bring this canon with me to shoot down your question of how to talk to Ryan? Sorry for the over kill)
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nichodo Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010  Hobbyist Artist
Wow this page is cool.
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fakenameyfakenamey Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
The mom said what she thought would be informative in a direct manner. She didn't really snap at him or deride him -- based on the text alone, it seems like a rather tame response. Although, it is possible that she could have inflected her voice in a way to make it more mean sounding, I don't think she did XD
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Suki-chan36 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
I'd tell the child that, if he really wanted to be a mom, he'd have to be older first. "Why else do you think moms are all my age?" (I know there's a wide age range for motherhood, but why get into that? One thing at a time, right?) Then, I would say, "Let's talk about this again when you're a few years older. If you still want to be a mom when you're older, I'll see what I can do."

If, in a few years, he didn't want to be a mom anymore, it'd be something for us to laugh about.

If, in a few years, he did still want to be a mom, I'd talk with him about it, and, depending on how much he wanted it, I might take him shopping and let him buy one outfit to wear around the house.
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dolphin64575 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Good idea!
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slightly-shotgunned Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
Enforce it. If the mom is the one staying at home and taking care of the children, which looks to be the case here, then I'd probably just say that I'll set him up with some babysitting jobs when he's older. Maybe even grab a copy of Junior and watch it with him...I'm all about fueling the dreams of the young.
Then everyone watches Mr. Nanny as punishment for laughing. =P
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seeker-of-revelation Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
I never approve of an adult telling a kid something like "It just doesn't work like that," rather than giving an explanation; however, when a subject like gender comes up out of nowhere some people probably find it hard to improvise, so a tone-deaf response from a parent wouldn't be surprising.

If it were me, I'd use the opportunity to talk to my kid about gender in a basic way. It's normal when kids are younger to play with around with gender roles, so I wouldn't think any more of it at that age. A bit older, then it might be time to think that there is some sort of gender dysphoria in play.
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SatouAsahira Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2010
I think that's pretty much what I would have said. I mean, I would have thought he doesn't know any better like his mom did. I'm not sure if I cracked up though. Maybe chuckled a little. But lovingly because I would find my child's naivety endearing. Until later when I find out that he's a transgender. Then I might be a little surprised, but I'm accepting and I'd let him do what he wants.
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StoryTypist Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2010
Well, it's never good if the parent simply ignores it. That's never good. Then the child will grow up not knowing who to confide in because they'll know or remember this little memory, and will think that their parent will get mad, confused, regretful, or maybe give the cold shoulder.
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Enkidude Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2010
I dunno, really. At first I thought he was older, but four years old? That's harsh.

At any rate. I think that the correct answer would be to just explain it by simply putting that boys are different than girls. And therein emphasize that there are things that guys are capable of and girls aren't, since right now he's feeling he's been given the short end of the stick with genders - AND NO! That last sentence is not meant to be taken wrong! :faint:
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Jaded-but-cute Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
On one hand, as a transgender, I'd like to say that the mommy was being too mean and should have at least humored him. On the flip side of the coin, as a writer, it's a little more plausible with her current reaction, especially since it's something many of us can relate to, rejection.

Whether the idea is mundane or complex, we all know what a dissenting opinion feels like. It makes us feel invalid, but more importantly, because of the basic idea of kids being defiant, it gives us the resolve to want the idea anyway, no matter who says it's stupid.

Stay the course, I like this comic just the way you have it going. Those are my thoughts anyway.
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TheRealYuma Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
He needs to play some good old-fashioned mayhem. Like Windwaker, or Jak and Daxter (that would probably teach him the difference between boys and girls once and for all), or the Insomniac Spyro games...
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dragon8writer Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
Sorry, but she's sorta right. (You're a decent guy, but you have a habit of saying some pretty annoying things once in a while.)
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superdeformedchibi Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2010  Professional Artisan Crafter
What an incredibly sexist thing to say. You cannot define boys and girls by different video game genres, it doesn't work that way first of all and secondly it's offensive.
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TheRealYuma Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
It was a joke. Besides, have you even played the Jak and Daxter series?
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superdeformedchibi Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2010  Professional Artisan Crafter
No, I prefer good games.

By the way, it's difficult to tell a joke from words on a page. Especially when it isn't funny.
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TheRealYuma Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
Hey, the Jak and Daxter series (excluding The Lost Frontier) are good games. Naughty Dog always makes good games.
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MNamelessSouL Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Have you played the first 3 Crash Bandicoot games then? They were made by Naughty Dog.
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dragon8writer Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
Animefan's always like that, though, so you just sorta get over it eventually... (Sorry if you read this, animefan, but it's sorta true.) He's a decent guy, honest! He just... says annoying things once in a while... sometimes VERY annoying things.
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